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作者mrme945 ()
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標題[閒聊] Gamers Nexus 14700K測試
時間Tue Oct 17 23:12:09 2023


https://youtu.be/8KKE-7BzB_M

開頭Steve就說了
14代基本上和13代是相同的
除了14700K多了4顆E core
所以先放這部出來

個人挑選過後文字只列出14700K、13700K、7800X3D、7900X

首先是功耗相關
功耗比較 (越低越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLVle.png
https://iili.io/JFMLNrQ.png
14700K 284.4W (-)
13700K 279.6W (-1.7%)
7800X3D 86.4W (-69.6%)
7900X 199.2W (-30%)

功耗效率比較 (越低越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLwEx.png
14700K 37.7Wh (-)
13700K 42.4Wh (+12.4%)
7800X3D 19.7Wh (-47.7%)
7900X 28.6Wh (-24.1%)

再來是遊戲相關
第一個數字是平均FPS 第二個數字是1%Low
Stellaris是測試模擬時間除外 單位為秒

Rainbow Six Siege (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLkYB.png
14700K 646.3 (-) 421.1 (-)
13700K 635.1 (-1.7%) 413.6 (-1.8%)
7800X3D 716.6 (+10.8%) 413.3 (-1.8%)
7900X 660.7 (+2.2%) 366.9 (-13.8%)

F1 23 (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLvkP.png
14700K 407.2 (-) 275.8 (-)
13700K 389.9 (-4.2%) 262.7 (-4.7%)
7800X3D 510.5 (+25.3%) 306.0 (+10.9%)
7900X 418.0 (+2.6%) 271.1 (-1.7%)

Baldur's Gate 3 (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFML8p1.png
14700K 106.2 (-) 66.9 (-)
13700K 104.2 (-1.9%) 66.5 (-0.6%)
7800X3D 121.7 (+14.5%) 67.3 (+0.6%)
7900X 94.9 (-10.7%) 58.7 (-12.3%)

Cyberpunk 2077 (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLUTF.png
14700K 164.0 (-) 114.6 (-)
13700K 165.1 (+0.7%) 112.1 (-2.1%)
7800X3D 203.1 (+23.8%) 136.2 (+18.8%)
7900X 161.8 (-1.4%) 110.0 (-4.1%)

Final Fantasy XIV (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFML6CJ.png
14700K 256.0 (-) 143.4 (-)
13700K 248.1 (-3.1%) 141.0 (-1.7%)
7800X3D 218.8 (-15.6%) 117.7 (-18.0%)
7900X 180.9 (-29.3%) 97.6 (-32.0%)

Starfield (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLZvl.png
14700K 126.3 (-) 62.5 (-)
13700K 117.4 (-7.0%) 61.6 (-1.5%)
7800X3D 114.7 (-9.1%) 60.2 (-3.7%)
7900X 102.2 (-19.0%) 52.5 (-16.0%)

Stellaris 3.9.1 (越低越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLi4R.png
14700K 29.6s (-)
13700K 29.6s (0.0%)
7800X3D 29.5s (-0.3%)
7900X 33.7s (+13.8%)


最後是生產力相關

Blender 3.64 (越低越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLQYN.png
14700K 8.0min (-)
13700K 9.1min (+13.7%)
7800X3D 13.6min (+70%)
7900X 8.6min (+7.5%)

7-Zip壓縮 (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLbTX.png
14700K 171286.3 (-)
13700K 157026.5 (-8.4%)
7800X3D 113587.0 (-33.7%)
7900X 163785.0 (-4.4%)

7-Zip解壓縮 (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFVaM9s.png
14700K 190231.5 (-)
13700K 170380.5 (-10.4%)
7800X3D 129626.5 (-31.9%)
7900X 210456.8 (+10.6%)

Adobe Premiere (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLpQs.png
14700K 822 (-)
13700K 797 (-3.1%)
7800X3D 701 (-14.8%)
7900X 777 (-5.5%)

Adobe Photoshop (越高越好)
https://iili.io/JFMLmjn.png
14700K 1548 (-)
13700K 1496 (-3.4%)
7800X3D 1505 (-2.7%)
7900X 1543 (-0.2%)


另外附上原價屋價格
14700K $14700
13700K $13900
7800X3D $12250
7900X $15150

最後個人簡單結論

遊戲買7800X3D
無論效能、功耗、價格全面屌打

生產力看價格買13700K或14700K
如果13700K有再降價的話就選
不然可以用多800的價格買+3.1%～+13.1%的效能

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→ Depthsharky: 有點臭 61.228.80.36 10/17 23:14
推 AreLies: 星空大濕還在跑申訴 沒辦法嘴生產力 42.77.45.127 10/17 23:14
推 shasen1236: 浪費沙子 219.68.173.49 10/17 23:16
推 skyrain1234: 生產力最多贏13%欸,大濕狂喜 180.217.70.216 10/17 23:18
推 MoneyBlue: 謝謝intel看來可考慮7800x3d惹 219.70.151.34 10/17 23:20
→ mrme945: Blender這種會把所有執行緒吃滿的用途， 111.71.212.118 10/17 23:21
→ mrme945: 那4顆E核就會展現差異了 111.71.212.118 10/17 23:21
→ mrme945: 話說這次討論度好冷，我這篇打了好久，幾 111.71.212.118 10/17 23:21
→ mrme945: 位常po的大大都還沒po 111.71.212.118 10/17 23:21
推 yymeow: 其實還行，就這個價格策略而言 114.37.43.236 10/17 23:22
推 ChangWufei: 7800X3D那功耗有夠銷魂 MB&散熱的壓力 114.27.177.237 10/17 23:22

只要30%的功耗真的超誇張的
相對來看AMD這代7900X就真的很垃圾
需要生產力的話真的乾脆直接捏上去7950X

推 SPDY: 沒加4顆E核的14代型號 步進就跟13代 一樣B0 1.171.217.26 10/17 23:23
→ SPDY: 根本就只是更灰燼 就改名當新代賣... 1.171.217.26 10/17 23:23
→ ChangWufei: 相對輕很多 114.27.177.237 10/17 23:23
推 DsLove710: 加4個E核拉了點頻率 13代就當14代賣 114.40.229.132 10/17 23:25

14700K加了E核還只有這點進步
14600K、14900K的狀況可想而知
看其他評測就知道了

推 mayolane: 馬甲也沒什麼好說的 114.136.221.33 10/17 23:26
→ spfy: 78X3D:我不是說你 我是指在座的各位...203.121.243.239 10/17 23:26
→ AngelBank: 顆顆，浪費沙子代表作 125.229.58.1 10/17 23:27
推 DsLove710: 不過再怎麼廢還是比10代到11代好很多XD 114.40.229.132 10/17 23:29
推 novicc: 結論：買7800X3D 1.160.234.227 10/17 23:29
推 kaj1983: 難怪不換腳位，就是換皮而已 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:30
→ otosaka: 147K以外都是13代Ver 2.0 36.230.170.221 10/17 23:31
推 lc85301: 好的我買生產力 36.231.108.180 10/17 23:31
→ kaj1983: 是說一般臭打電動拿7500f也很好用了 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:32
推 CircusWorld: 14900 Huan的評測影片也出來了123.205.143.107 10/17 23:32
→ kaj1983: 7500f可以看成7600X那個等級 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:33
→ kaj1983: 不比1%low的話，和13700k也很接近了 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:34
→ kaj1983: 多那不到100幀去買78x3d也沒必要 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:34
→ kaj1983: 還要多付7千多塊... 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:35

7500F真的很強
直接奪走13600K的位置

至於要不要考慮7800X3D看預算和追求
我個人認為60k以上的單子再考慮I7、R7以上的選項
當然這只是簡化再簡化的結果
實際每一單還是有不同考慮

推 cliff2001: 連牙膏都擠不出來 114.137.34.115 10/17 23:36
推 sokayha: 所以FF14還真的要intel 175.181.157.54 10/17 23:39
→ skyrain1234: 1%low才是最重要的啊,不過不否認7500 180.217.70.216 10/17 23:40
→ skyrain1234: f很夠打 180.217.70.216 10/17 23:41
推 cutejojocat: 看來要等13700K降價或是跳A家 36.229.194.97 10/17 23:41
推 kaj1983: 1%low很重要的話那78x3d就輸了捏 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:41
→ crono0: FF14一直都是Intel有優勢 但是感覺跟220.135.213.141 10/17 23:42
→ crono0: 引擎太舊有關 等下次更新引擎看有沒有插220.135.213.141 10/17 23:42
→ crono0: *差別220.135.213.141 10/17 23:42
→ kaj1983: 只是會用4090跑FHD的大概不多啦 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:42
→ kaj1983: 在4K的條件下就眾生平等XD 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:43
→ mayolane: 競技遊戲： 114.136.221.33 10/17 23:44
→ kaj1983: 但差也沒差多少就是，7500f還是平民遊戲 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:44
→ kaj1983: 神U 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:45
→ kaj1983: 賣5千塊一顆真的太香了 36.238.156.74 10/17 23:46
→ mayolane: 有些像Jedi Survivor的4090到4k一樣CPU 114.136.221.33 10/17 23:46
→ mayolane: 瓶頸 114.136.221.33 10/17 23:46
推 delaluna: 除了整天臭轉檔的 E核再堆上去都沒啥差 59.115.174.104 10/17 23:47
推 cylinptt: 5800X3D這樣看下來真的好猛XD 1.169.96.163 10/17 23:51

58X3D真的很能打
可惜台灣代理有夠爛
價格死都不降供貨又少

推 caine22: 78X3D就是網遊神U，網路很多評測了106.107.180.141 10/17 23:53
→ caine22: 非網遊7500f真的就很夠用106.107.180.141 10/17 23:53
推 ryanpeace33: 早說組AM5了 114.136.116.35 10/17 23:53
推 chang1248w: 慘 42.73.241.59 10/17 23:53
推 E7lijah: 我在看paper 明天要整理給教授 沒辦法qq 27.240.248.33 10/18 00:02

加油，祝你順利

推 coox: 14代真的就13代電上去 114.27.76.167 10/18 00:02
→ E7lijah: 蘇媽:感謝intel幫忙推銷78X3D 27.240.248.33 10/18 00:03
推 nt880245: 冬天要溫暖就靠他了 27.242.131.93 10/18 00:06
推 E7lijah: 耶穌測CS2最強的兩個CPU就是78X3D跟58X3D 27.240.248.33 10/18 00:07
→ E7lijah: 等等 原來i7 K系功耗就到280W了嗎 也太 27.240.248.33 10/18 00:08
→ E7lijah: 熱 27.240.248.33 10/18 00:08
→ leo3258: 水冷標配 114.137.91.33 10/18 00:15
→ boulard: 暖氣都省了 真香 111.248.214.6 10/18 00:16
推 zack0000: 看下來5800x/12代換的人根本大贏家 49.216.93.176 10/18 00:30

20/21年只要有買到原價卡
組電腦真的很超值
各種礦渣又便宜又好用

推 nmkl: 蘇媽看來不用鳥14代這爛貨了 27.242.0.5 10/18 00:31
→ higali: 可以散了，無聊 111.80.41.126 10/18 00:32
→ nmkl: 7800x3d默秒全 27.242.0.5 10/18 00:32
→ nmkl: 明年還要出大改的zen5，是要不要給intel活路 27.242.0.5 10/18 00:33
→ nmkl: 啊 27.242.0.5 10/18 00:33

就一些板友的說法是15代進步會很驚人
所以明年戰況如何也很難說

推 mayolane: Arrow Lake出的時候星空出桶沒 114.136.221.33 10/18 00:34
→ dos01: 跟之前的情報差不多 就套皮13代 毫無新意 182.155.78.98 10/18 00:35
推 h311013: 78X3D神U 36.227.94.77 10/18 00:37
推 dos01: 14代完全不知道是出來幹嘛的 嫌員工太閒 182.155.78.98 10/18 00:37
→ dos01: 要員工把去年的作業抄一次再拿給老師逆 182.155.78.98 10/18 00:37
推 MK47: 好慘 36.235.217.12 10/18 00:38
推 Koogeal: A黑們快出來嘴幾句生產力才是王道? 59.115.63.147 10/18 00:40
推 dos01: 還在水桶裡啦 182.155.78.98 10/18 00:40
推 MK47: 看完覺得我的5900x可以再戰一代 不換了 36.235.217.12 10/18 00:42

我也是5900X
希望等明年15代/8000系出來就能換了
拜託兩家都能端出一些有趣的東西出來

推 mayolane: 你的一些板友是誰？知名A黑aegis嗎 114.136.221.33 10/18 00:45

不只有吹I家的板友
我也有看到說8000系進步會很大的說法
我自己是都信了
但反正最終都還是要看實測為準
這幾年看下來衝第一波實在沒有什麼好處
看完評測再決定也不遲

推 Litfal: 功耗直接比12700k多了125w 27.247.64.131 10/18 00:46
推 phylen: 125.228.79.8 10/18 00:46
→ phylen: hardware unboxed 標題還蠻故意的 125.228.79.8 10/18 00:46
→ phylen: Intel released the 13900K 125.228.79.8 10/18 00:46
→ phylen: and 13600K again 125.228.79.8 10/18 00:46
推 dos01: 我覺得不是很樂觀 今年擺明擠牙膏 明年可能 182.155.78.98 10/18 00:47
→ dos01: 又繼續擠 182.155.78.98 10/18 00:47

我是希望15代可以像11→12代的情況一樣擠爆啦

推 qweertyui891: 功耗高這麼多，屌打AMD 111.248.69.21 10/18 00:47
推 skyrain1234: 應該是有傳聞15代會上7奈米吧 180.217.70.216 10/18 01:13
推 saimeitetsu: 這好慘，我看360水冷也很難壓住 223.137.241.79 10/18 01:20
推 oppoR20: 到底是誰都不發文都不發梗圖r223.139.145.154 10/18 01:56
→ oppoR20: 誰那麼壞223.139.145.154 10/18 01:56

等你很久了耶豹紋

推 aegis43210: ARL用兩種製程呀175.182.111.233 10/18 02:08
→ aegis43210: ipc+3%算有提升了，畢竟只是同製程…175.182.111.233 10/18 02:08
推 aegis43210: 明年生產力方面是追不上ZEN5了，不過175.182.111.233 10/18 02:21
→ aegis43210: 遊戲及能耗方面是肯定比ZEN5好175.182.111.233 10/18 02:21

其他就算了
這幾年的表現你要跟我說能耗...

推 HGK: 耶穌評測出來囉，看完就是個電上去 114.26.8.231 10/18 03:06
→ HGK: 的13代，轉檔才有用 114.26.8.231 10/18 03:06
推 EXZUSIC: 怎麼這麼多人在通靈15代 123.195.0.100 10/18 03:10
→ EXZUSIC: 又肯定怎樣了 沒達到是要道歉還是怎樣 123.195.0.100 10/18 03:12
推 SHR4587: 都要到接近快出了才準吧，之前一年多就在 220.136.6.216 10/18 03:36
→ SHR4587: 通靈Zen4跟14代的沒一個準的 220.136.6.216 10/18 03:36
→ SHR4587: 什麼猜個50％進步豪洨的都有 220.136.6.216 10/18 03:37

進步多畢竟是好事
所以我還是抱持正面態度
希望明年兩家都能給出好東西
這樣最終受益的還是消費者

推 Richun: 7800X3D這顆真的超神，散熱不用特別弄就高 182.233.159.82 10/18 03:50
推 ck6m454: 等明年評測出來就知道，現在二家通靈都 39.15.9.255 10/18 04:34
→ ck6m454: 嘛打嘴炮 39.15.9.255 10/18 04:34
→ leung3740250: 牙膏肯定沒活路了，明年的小核只能220.246.197.111 10/18 04:40
→ leung3740250: 去跟3年前的大核比，哪像12代的小220.246.197.111 10/18 04:40
→ leung3740250: 核可以跟兩年前的大核去比一比。220.246.197.111 10/18 04:40
推 garlic1234: 78X3D根本神 220.132.79.72 10/18 05:13
推 taiwanstrike: 78X3D:哈欠 61.227.227.251 10/18 05:33
→ bian0977: 呃… 147K也太廢了吧 我到底看了什麼101.138.225.206 10/18 05:33

其實把14代14600K、14700K、14900K看成13650K、13750K、13950K就沒問題了

推 SYUAN0301: 78X3D：我好像有點強？ 61.227.47.141 10/18 05:48
推 drummers: 太電了吧125.230.144.112 10/18 06:29
推 nmkl: 15代遊戲還是以7800x3d為目標吧，沒贏我看還 27.242.195.51 10/18 06:42
→ nmkl: 是不要出了，浪費沙子 27.242.195.51 10/18 06:42
推 yankeefat: Huan測了149K 笑說這連擠牙膏都不算118.166.137.190 10/18 07:05
→ yankeefat: 多噴50%的電 換到的提升只有10%上下118.166.137.190 10/18 07:06
推 Fezico: 13gen就這樣惹，後面多電上去的都是白電。 39.9.134.195 10/18 07:19
推 rock0807: 讓我想到推土機時期 FX95114.136.202.105 10/18 07:22
→ rock0807: 90114.136.202.105 10/18 07:22
推 yankeefat: 9590只要220W 好涼啊(X118.166.137.190 10/18 07:23
推 ltytw: jojo北極熊 114.33.46.227 10/18 07:32
推 NetsFan: 堆核功耗怪物。是說i5以下沒必要堆一堆 123.192.88.123 10/18 07:33
→ NetsFan: 核，i7則是再堆一點免得說都沒有改變 123.192.88.123 10/18 07:33
→ NetsFan: 吃電越高不是桌機就沒差，供電、散熱、 123.192.88.123 10/18 07:34
→ NetsFan: 板子等級的成本都要考量進去，多少人天 123.192.88.123 10/18 07:34
→ NetsFan: 天生產力 123.192.88.123 10/18 07:34
推 ltytw: 現在如果有人嘴說AMD又熱又耗電效能也沒比 114.33.46.227 10/18 07:36
推 chad77: X3D那顆要配什麼板 才能有效率清走積熱 39.15.32.101 10/18 07:37

CPU積熱不是主板可以處理的
供電堆高是能夠讓主板零件涼一點啦
但7800X3D本身功耗這麼低本來就已經夠涼了
供電堆高大概也不會有顯著差異

→ ltytw: 較好 可以說他那裡還來得及嗎？ 114.33.46.227 10/18 07:37
→ Nappa: 失望的一年Intel 14代,gopro 12,IP 15 pro 114.34.221.100 10/18 07:45
推 mioz: 147K對比79X甚至77X 依然效能上有優勢 175.181.157.49 10/18 08:04
→ mioz: 但功耗一比就QQ了 AMD這下香了? 175.181.157.49 10/18 08:04
推 Fezico: 如果跟13gen曲線一樣的話，是不用電到那麼 39.9.134.195 10/18 08:06
→ Fezico: 高。好像落在快200w的樣子 39.9.134.195 10/18 08:06
推 SHR4587: 最近一直想要換回intel但又沒有啥吸引力 220.136.24.223 10/18 08:07
推 kuroshizu21: 感覺單就14700K來說, 12代13代沒買又 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:11
→ kuroshizu21: 想買intel的人, 在現階段的價格下是 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:12
推 e446582284: AMD在遊戲上太香了，低階有7500F高階 110.30.9.76 10/18 08:12
→ e446582284: 有X3D全線秒殺 110.30.9.76 10/18 08:12
→ kuroshizu21: 可以考慮買14700K 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:12
→ kuroshizu21: 但如果沒有說就是要買intel, AMD也有 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:14
→ kuroshizu21: 列入考慮的話, 只臭打遊戲真的就直接 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:14
→ kuroshizu21: AMD YES就好 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:14
→ Fezico: 牙膏現在代理就124/146/147吧?14Gen報價還 39.9.134.195 10/18 08:15
→ Fezico: 行啦，水貨就127，126現在水貨報好像也不 39.9.134.195 10/18 08:15
→ Fezico: 貴 39.9.134.195 10/18 08:15

12400還能打實在有點諷刺就是了...
不過如果同樣32G
7500F組起來只比12400配DDR4多1～2K而已

推 kuroshizu21: 跟13700K相比之下14700K公耗號多了那 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:26
→ kuroshizu21: 麼一點點, 我自己是覺得可以忽略 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:26
→ kuroshizu21: 但功耗效率卻比13700K好上有10趴左右 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:27
→ kuroshizu21: 這倒是有意外 111.249.51.137 10/18 08:27

其實看用什麼情況來比功耗啦
如果你比別的也可以只強3～5%而已

推 moon1991: 只能說至少沒牙膏倒吸 42.71.232.69 10/18 08:32
→ sincere77: 功耗這麼高，進步幅度根本硬電出來的吧 60.154.118.126 10/18 08:38
→ sincere77: 現在出廠預設即灰燼，還要人人標配高 60.154.118.126 10/18 08:40
→ sincere77: 階水冷了 60.154.118.126 10/18 08:40
推 coox: 看完耶穌評測我都想去買7800X3D了 163.26.206.202 10/18 08:42
推 yoriko6406: 不知道AMD下一代甚麼時候會上，想要等220.132.230.248 10/18 08:54
→ yoriko6406: 第二代AM5再生應該會比較穩，但下一代220.132.230.248 10/18 08:54
→ yoriko6406: 再升新版一定又會更貴，兩難220.132.230.248 10/18 08:54

其實你去看AMD Zen3、Zen4這兩代的MSRP就知道不一定會更貴了
5950X $799 7950X $699
5900X $549 7900X $549
5800X $449 7700X $399
5600X $299 7600X $299
不過前一代到後期的降價才會讓新的看起來很貴

推 gameguy: 牙膏廠 回來了啊，以色列工藝？ 27.242.69.24 10/18 08:54
推 SAoKelin: X3D真的有猛== 58 78都狠棒 60.249.59.180 10/18 08:54
推 kaj1983: 更強的效能更貴很正常啊，不然就等下腳料 218.166.6.202 10/18 08:58
→ kaj1983: 上市再買，像麵包店打烊會買吐司邊一樣 218.166.6.202 10/18 08:59
→ kaj1983: 等8500f出來再去買XD 218.166.6.202 10/18 08:59
推 tsubasawolfy: 420 AIO:挑戰接受 163.15.167.219 10/18 08:59
推 bacteria2014: 那種功耗也太誇張了..... 101.9.113.242 10/18 09:02
推 dylantu: 熟悉的牙膏最對味220.137.151.100 10/18 09:06
推 crow0801: 目前Intel零售的CPU GPU都是硬電上去的 49.216.51.131 10/18 09:12
→ ck6m454: 剩下就是等雙方新架構出來再看了 122.121.10.248 10/18 09:22
推 drummers: 這次是intel逼不了amd出新品了嗎125.230.163.129 10/18 09:32

A本來就是兩年出一代
其實也沒什麼逼不了的問題
反倒是我覺得I如果做不出什麼明顯進步的話其實不用硬要每年都出新的

推 kuc6811: 跟11代比起來 14代才真的是浪費沙子 1.171.139.169 10/18 09:36

我以為11代是倒吸牙膏耶
14代沒那麼慘吧

推 Fezico: 13gen的134/135實在太臭，水貨126好像不用 39.9.134.195 10/18 09:36
→ Fezico: 6K 39.9.134.195 10/18 09:36
推 mayolane: 笑死aegis又出來吹了 1.161.96.145 10/18 09:53
推 jaceda: 看到14700k那功耗就涼了.. 211.23.163.140 10/18 09:59
推 www123442: 建議換4k螢幕 可以直接治好cpu換換病 42.72.122.157 10/18 10:05
推 caine22: 換4K 變成顯卡有換換病106.107.180.141 10/18 10:06
推 coolmayday: 7800X3D越看越香 42.72.125.123 10/18 10:18
推 coox: 14代不可能輸11代啦 11代只有i3可以買吧 163.26.206.202 10/18 10:25
推 Koogeal: 害我凌晨趕緊去海鮮下單一顆尾盤12500… 49.216.41.214 10/18 10:28

最便宜的UHD770其實蠻不錯的

推 PTTfaggot: intel又在幫忙推銷7800x3d 101.10.45.47 10/18 10:36
推 blackway0226: 這真的不知道出來幹嘛的 45.94.210.136 10/18 10:59
→ hong414: 功耗直逼13900k 1.200.34.47 10/18 11:08
推 karl7238: 11、14代都是浪費砂子啦～想買intel的從 125.229.201.30 10/18 11:18
→ karl7238: 12、13代挑cp值高的買就可以了 125.229.201.30 10/18 11:18
→ Fezico: 買新的買14gen也沒啥問題啊，代理價格跟13 39.9.134.195 10/18 11:32
→ Fezico: gen當初價格不是差不多？ 39.9.134.195 10/18 11:32
→ Fezico: 多的一張當官超就好惹，真買回來大概也沒 39.9.134.195 10/18 11:33
→ Fezico: 多少人回去bios裡折騰 39.9.134.195 10/18 11:33
推 boren: 看了更多評測，14代的IMC也沒進步，可能要 114.34.254.164 10/18 11:36
→ boren: 等bios更新 114.34.254.164 10/18 11:36
→ cat05joy: 5900再撐五年以上都不為過 211.20.117.1 10/18 11:42
推 bunjie: i的功耗完全被a海放 42.76.152.13 10/18 11:44
推 mtc5566: 真的是垃圾笑能 39.14.32.40 10/18 12:10
→ mtc5566: 多的1k當官超勒笑死 超上去電費不用錢？ 39.14.32.40 10/18 12:11
推 karl7238: 沒辦法，製程落後功耗被屌打是沒辦法的 114.46.209.109 10/18 12:15
→ karl7238: ，但intel用落後製程還能跟AMD打得有來 114.46.209.109 10/18 12:15
→ karl7238: 有回就表示AMD在架構有很大的進步空間， 114.46.209.109 10/18 12:15
→ karl7238: 不然理論上Zen4打13、14代應該要保持Zen 114.46.209.109 10/18 12:15
→ karl7238: 3打11代的優勢才對 114.46.209.109 10/18 12:15
推 YunHung46: 這次連牙膏都有點懶得擠了 在乾麻R 36.237.98.136 10/18 12:16
推 Fezico: 想必在坐的每個人主機買回去天天燒雞滿載 39.9.134.195 10/18 12:27
→ Fezico: ，正常高負載要摸200w也難好不... 39.9.134.195 10/18 12:27
推 E7lijah: 好奇什麼叫正常高負載 高負載還有不正常 39.12.9.120 10/18 12:31
→ E7lijah: 的 難道是中毒嗎 39.12.9.120 10/18 12:31
→ Fezico: 燒雞這事不能算是“正常”負載不是，板子 39.9.134.195 10/18 12:37
→ Fezico: 給多少就電多少。 39.9.134.195 10/18 12:37

乖啦 不要難過

推 a3619453: 先買13700K爽用真的是買對了220.134.138.207 10/18 12:39
→ E7lijah: 用blender或其他CPU渲染算是燒機嗎 39.12.9.120 10/18 12:40
→ E7lijah: 這些不都是桶裡某大濕最愛講的生產力 39.12.9.120 10/18 12:41
→ E7lijah: 又不像甜甜圈單純是電費病毒 39.12.9.120 10/18 12:42
推 a85139138: 78X3D使用者路過幫忙推這顆，1%Low 110.28.41.121 10/18 12:43
→ a85139138: 巨有感，很多遊戲本來要突然卡一下 110.28.41.121 10/18 12:43
→ a85139138: 的，換了這顆都不會了，我覺得有錢 110.28.41.121 10/18 12:43
→ a85139138: 直接78X3D了，真的強 110.28.41.121 10/18 12:43

其實要看跟什麼CPU比
如果是隔了幾代的舊CPU那當然感覺明顯
但如果12～14代換7800X3D我覺得也不會有太大差距

→ kuroshizu21: 我是覺得會用blender的話, 這應該算 111.249.51.137 10/18 12:44
→ kuroshizu21: 生產力用途耶 XDDD 雖然我也覺得就如 111.249.51.137 10/18 12:44
→ kuroshizu21: E大說的, 那應該不是大濕愛講的那種 111.249.51.137 10/18 12:45
→ kuroshizu21: 生產力 XDDDDDDDD 111.249.51.137 10/18 12:45
→ NanaMizuki: x3d遇到不支援的遊戲就會打回原型 36.226.2.235 10/18 13:07
→ NanaMizuki: 其實也不太能無腦選 36.226.2.235 10/18 13:07
→ Fezico: 真用blender也是CPU/GPU同時渲染吧...有人 39.9.134.195 10/18 13:12
→ Fezico: 用純CPU渲染？都被老黃碾假的 39.9.134.195 10/18 13:13

加油啊 挺I的大大 不要輸給那些I黑

推 BAKAUSAGI: X3D雖然low1%跟FPS網遊都很高，但他有 101.10.9.190 10/18 13:19
→ BAKAUSAGI: 幀生成波動較大的問題，讓你實際玩會 101.10.9.190 10/18 13:19
→ BAKAUSAGI: 覺得明明幀數超高畫面卻會有點卡，B站 101.10.9.190 10/18 13:19
→ BAKAUSAGI: 的51972有測過這個問題。 101.10.9.190 10/18 13:19
推 kaj1983: x3d就專門臭打遊戲的啊，生產力不要想了 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:19
→ boren: X3D 1% low的問題停用HPET就可以了 114.34.254.164 10/18 13:25
→ Fezico: 反正現在14gen代理價格又沒暴漲，跟13gen 39.9.134.195 10/18 13:27
→ Fezico: 同一個價位帶。除非13gen後面大跳水雖然沒 39.9.134.195 10/18 13:27
→ Fezico: 啥機會，不然買14gen就好了。幹啥回頭去撿 39.9.134.195 10/18 13:27
→ Fezico: 13gen? 39.9.134.195 10/18 13:27
→ Fezico: 只是覺得在吹13gen的有點莫名其妙而已 39.9.134.195 10/18 13:28
推 abcd5566: 13700太爽啦 39.9.68.81 10/18 13:32
推 kuroshizu21: 疑? 我沒有挺I啊 XDDD 我I家A家都有 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:35
→ kuroshizu21: 在用啊 XDDDD 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:36

kuro大你誤會了

→ kuroshizu21: 我目前關心14700K是因為我手上有待組 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:36
→ kuroshizu21: 的板子是intel用的, 所以在評估是要 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:37
推 BAKAUSAGI: 關於FF14，其實只有benchmark輸intel 101.10.9.190 10/18 13:37
→ BAKAUSAGI: ，實際遊戲裡面其實是X3D暴打的狀態， 101.10.9.190 10/18 13:37
→ BAKAUSAGI: B站有兩個平台的副本內對比影片。 101.10.9.190 10/18 13:37

大大有連結嗎？我有興趣看一下

→ kuroshizu21: 選13700K還是14700K而已 XDDDDDDDD 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:37

組新的13700K、14700K其實就看價格選
如果是原價屋目前這個價格
我會建議捏800上去
但如果別的地方買得到更便宜的13700K就能考慮了

如果是原有12代就不需要升了

→ kuroshizu21: 之後還要把另一張AM4的板子也組起來 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:38
推 sky1235: 光看能耗就不想看了 114.137.212.30 10/18 13:39
推 abcd5566: 這是10奈米吧 39.9.68.81 10/18 13:40
推 abcd5566: 下一代7奈米可能才有大突破 39.9.68.81 10/18 13:42

這正是我一直期待的
兩邊都要有突破才會對消費者有益

推 kaj1983: GN測試可能都預設沒手動調啦，所以大家都 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:44
→ kaj1983: 很高，手動自己調一下還會更低 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:45
→ kaj1983: amd也是要調了之後更涼更省電 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:45
→ kaj1983: intel就回到正常可以接受的範圍 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:46
→ kaj1983: 測試要多看，現在2家預設就是電爛 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:47

GN的確都是預設，看表上都寫stock就知道了
真不知道這種出廠即灰燼的風氣誰帶起來的
大部分消費者應該是連BIOS都不會開
要手調還是有一定門檻
※ 編輯: mrme945 (111.71.212.118 臺灣), 10/18/2023 13:50:23
→ kaj1983: 以前消費者喜歡玩超頻，現在則是降壓XD 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:48
→ kaj1983: 所以不要看到能耗差就不看，如果手動調了 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:48
→ kaj1983: 降很多那沒看到就誤會了 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:49
推 kuroshizu21: To mrme大, 不好意思剛剛誤會了 XD 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:55
→ kuroshizu21: 不過我看了之後的確是覺得就看自己要 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:55
→ kuroshizu21: 買的當下, 價格哪邊比較OK, 如果是 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:56
→ kuroshizu21: 現在這個價格, 我應該就拿14700K 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:56
→ kuroshizu21: 如果13700K有明顯降, 那就會拿13700K 111.249.51.137 10/18 13:56
推 kaj1983: 最近就amd開始帶這風氣的吧，官超都給很 218.166.10.153 10/18 13:59
→ kaj1983: 緊，intel之前漏洞問題時還可以超頻，被 218.166.10.153 10/18 14:00
→ kaj1983: 笑超頻來的都拿去補洞了XD 218.166.10.153 10/18 14:00
→ kaj1983: 只是忘了是從3000還是5000開始的 218.166.10.153 10/18 14:01
推 ccjj8: 電子垃圾 223.138.75.45 10/18 14:07
推 BAKAUSAGI: 你b站搜7800X3D FF14就有了 它封面圖 101.10.9.190 10/18 14:16
→ BAKAUSAGI: 跟影片內位置是對調的 7800X3D是右邊 101.10.9.190 10/18 14:16
→ BAKAUSAGI: 的畫面要注意XD 101.10.9.190 10/18 14:16
推 boren: 最慘的是買139KS：原來我不是我想像的特挑 114.34.254.164 10/18 14:18
推 bear753951: 這是來幫78x3d宣傳的嗎？ 39.12.41.181 10/18 14:25
推 LADKUO56: 7800X3D還真猛 不過40N卡價格實在太糞 114.36.26.117 10/18 14:32
→ LADKUO56: 可惜A卡不爭氣啊 114.36.26.117 10/18 14:32
→ bian0977: 很期待看到護板神塔AG400跟新世代最強噴101.138.139.197 10/18 15:47
→ bian0977: 火龍14700K精彩對決 這畫面美到我無法想101.138.139.197 10/18 15:47
→ bian0977: 像101.138.139.197 10/18 15:47
推 cat05joy: 直接估狗 7800X3D FF14 第一個就是了 211.20.117.1 10/18 16:11
推 SHR4587: 是說intel有沒有考慮推一顆便宜的沒E核 39.10.65.1 10/18 16:28
→ SHR4587: 的 39.10.65.1 10/18 16:28
推 nt880245: 這是給AMD機會 27.242.131.93 10/18 16:32
推 hg32658: 原來我的8086已經跟垃圾一樣了哭 42.73.143.160 10/18 16:48
推 leviva: 同樣劇本已經兩次了，12代遊戲贏zen 3, 111.243.148.22 10/18 17:04
→ leviva: 然後5800x3d反超當時12900k，13代遊戲贏z 111.243.148.22 10/18 17:04
→ leviva: en 4, 然後7800x3d 111.243.148.22 10/18 17:04
→ leviva: 13900k, 所以關鍵在大快取 111.243.148.22 10/18 17:05
→ leviva: 再不跟進3d快取，同樣劇本15代可能再次上 111.243.148.22 10/18 17:06
→ leviva: 演 111.243.148.22 10/18 17:06
推 yymeow: 便宜沒E核不就12400 60.250.130.216 10/18 17:47
推 SHR4587: 我要8P0E阿，12400不夠看! 220.136.6.216 10/18 18:13
推 user1120: 14700 之外的14代很"牙膏"啊... 211.75.88.126 10/18 18:20
推 yangtsur: 14700賣14700 , 7800怎麼沒賣7800? 114.34.233.175 10/18 18:25
推 b325019: https://b23.tv/vvgLKLO223.137.186.113 10/18 19:07
→ b325019: 看到那1%low跟功耗快笑死223.137.186.113 10/18 19:07
推 lc85301: 14900K 評測也出來了 36.231.118.144 10/18 20:38
→ eternal3326: 幾年沒關心現在救救北極熊換人了？ 27.247.196.159 10/18 23:19
推 nucleargod: blender 有不少 CPU 基本教義派的 118.167.25.208 10/18 23:23
→ nucleargod: 畢竟CPU 跟 GPU 跑，有精確度差異 118.167.25.208 10/18 23:23
推 louisxxiii: 78X3D功耗是鬼喔 不到人家的一半 61.58.150.117 10/19 09:56






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